Thursday, November 22, 2012

சார் முன்னாடி போனது



Ethirajans Ethirajan
So, Why is this being termed as a flop in the first place as if all the 122 licenses were out on auction n the govt has got only 9200 Cr?

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NattAnu ரசனைக்காரன்
@Ethirajans How many licences have been sold?

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@NattAnu Just 22 were out on auction out of 122.

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NattAnu ரசனைக்காரன்
@Ethirajans So u'r saying if the remaining 100 is auctioned is when the true value will be seen?

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@NattAnu Of course YES, Isn't it? The second phase auctioning to be held in March 2013.

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@NattAnu Its a wrong perception by @Ethirajans . CAG calculates its estimation only for this 22 licenses (in issue). But it fetched less

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh Well, The companies who have got these 22 licences for less than 10 K cr made more than 60 cr by selling it to others @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans It is once again wrong! No companies sold the 'licenses'. They sold their 'share' of their company. @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh They sold a part of their spectrum license, not the shares. @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans ...and the value of Equity Share of the company is much much higher than the value of the License! @NattAnu

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NattAnu ரசனைக்காரன்
@saysatheesh @Ethirajans Am confused with terminology. 22 is # of telecom circles, while 122 is the # of licences. Both are not the same?

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@NattAnu 22 Circles! 122 Licenses! These 122 Licenses given in 3 phases! Final phase having 22 licenses! These only cancelled @Ethirajans

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu Nope, Wrong, SC squashed all the 122 licenses given by Raja, go through that wikipedia.

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans i am not saying about this, but in general, wiki is grossly inaccurate about Indian politics and business @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon Wiki is not an authentic source for everything but u can get an idea. @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans if you use economics times against @saysatheesh it's ok . Wiki is laughable. hope you understand @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans we should respect the specialists in that area than Wiki @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon @saysatheesh @NattAnu I agree.

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans get am idea. but when @saysatheesh talks about economics, you using Wiki to counter him seems funny @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon @saysatheesh @NattAnu I used Wiki just to point him out that 122 licenses were issued by Raja himself.

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans now tell me . should CAG should resign or not. should he be under trial @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon @saysatheesh @NattAnu Sir, :)) If the court comes up with a verdict that the govt incurred no loss, and the CAG was wrong..

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans court has not yet given its verdict for 2g. but dalit raja was asked to resign @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon @saysatheesh @NattAnu Sorry Sir, This discussion will not be constructive anymore after you have decided to play the caste crd

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans then tell me why all those who went after raja did not go after others. what reason @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon @saysatheesh @NattAnu I withdraw myself from this discussion sir, Thank you very much.

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans glad that you had finally woken up :-) :-) @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans when you say that CAG Will resign after judgement, but raja has to resign for just allegation ??? @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon @saysatheesh @NattAnu Then what you ask will happen. The CAG will resign or you can hang him.

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans first he has to resign boss. then stand for trial. @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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sathishvasan srinivasan
@spinesurgeon @Ethirajans @saysatheesh @NattAnu Quite interesting ! please have a soda ! :)

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@sathishvasan thanks for your compliment. truth always wins :-) @Ethirajans @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@sathishvasan you tell me.should samerule be applicable for raja and CAG or different rules based no caste @Ethirajans @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans :)) OK Coming to your point! Then what did BJP allotted? Do u say they gave nothing? :) @spinesurgeon @NattAnu

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NattAnu ரசனைக்காரன்
@saysatheesh Ok. What was CAG's 1.72 lakh crore estimated loss? Phase III only? And only those are cancelled? @Ethirajans

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@NattAnu All the 122 licenses were given by A Raja, which were quashed by the SC which incurred the estimated loss of 1.76 LCR @saysatheesh

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@NattAnu Phase III. They say (comparing with 3G auction) 2G may fetch more revenue if it is auctioned! But 3G & 2G r different @Ethirajans

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu என்ன சார் சுப்ரீம் கோர்ட்டு தப்புன்றீங்களா? :))

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans CAG தப்புங்கறேன்! எண்களை பார்த்த அளவுக்கு டெக்னிகலை பார்க்கலை! இப்போ இழப்பு 30,000 கோடிதான்னு சொல்லியிருக்காங்க @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu சார், மத்த கம்பெனிகள் தங்களுக்கு சல்லிசா கிடைச்ச லைசன்ஸை கொள்ளை லாபத்துக்கு வித்ததை வச்சுதான் இழப்பு.

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans லைசன்சை யாரும் விக்கலை! விக்கவும் முடியாது! கம்பெனி ஷேரை தான் விக்கிறாங்க! சிம்பிள் லாஜிக் @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu லைசன்சை யாரும் விக்க முடியாதா? கவர்மெண்ட் வித்ததும் அப்படின்னா லைஸன்ஸ் இல்லையா? ஷேர்தானா?

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans My Co has a share value! I got a new order! If I sell my share to someone, it doesn't mean that I sole my order! :) @NattAnu

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NattAnu ரசனைக்காரன்
@saysatheesh சார்,தெளிவா சொல்லுங்க. இப்ப 9000 கோடிக்கு போனதுதான் = 176 ல.கோடி லாஸ்ன்னு சொல்லப்பட்டதா? இல்ல இன்னும் இருக்கா? @Ethirajans

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@NattAnu @saysatheesh அதுல ஆறுல ஒரு பங்குதான் சார் ஏலத்துக்கு வந்திருக்கு இப்ப. மத்தது இன்னும் வரலை.

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@NattAnu முன்பும் 9800 கோடிக்கு தான் போச்சு! இப்பவும் அதே அளவுக்கு தான் போச்சு! ஆனா CAG கூடுதலாகிடைச்சிருக்கும்னு சொல்றாங்க! @Ethirajans

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu சார் முன்னாடி போனது 122 லைசன்ஸ். இப்ப போயிருக்கறது வெறும் 22. இன்னும் 100 பாக்கி இருக்கு.

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NattAnu ரசனைக்காரன்
@saysatheesh அத விடுங்க. @Ethirajans 1/6 பங்கு தான் இப்ப விட்டுருக்காங்ககிறார். நீங்க ஒத்துக்கிறீங்களா, இல்லையா?

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@NattAnu yes! agreed! @Ethirajans

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NattAnu ரசனைக்காரன்
@saysatheesh Is circle = licences? @Ethirajans

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@NattAnu No. Now a circle has 9 License! (TN has Airtel, Aircel, Vodafone, MTS, Tata Docomo, RelianceGSM, BSNL, Uninor, Idea) @Ethirajans

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velangaathavan வெளங்காதவன்™
@NattAnu டி.பி. ய மாத்தும்வோய்! நான்கூட ஏதோ பொண்ணு எழுதுதுன்னு நெனச்சிட்டேன்@saysatheesh @Ethirajans

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NattAnu ரசனைக்காரன்
@velangaathavan என் மகளே நான். நானே அவள் :-) @saysatheesh @Ethirajans

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velangaathavan வெளங்காதவன்™
@NattAnu @saysatheesh @Ethirajans :))

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@NattAnu in TN Phase I Aircel, Vodafone (then BPL) only got the license. In phase II Airtel & BSNL got it 1/2 @Ethirajans

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@NattAnu Final Phase others got the licenses! @Ethirajans

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@saysatheesh the question here is not whether there was a irregularity or not. no one denies. change of date wrong @NattAnu @Ethirajans

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon Absolutely, How come you change the date without prior announcement? @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans It is first come first served (alloted) basis. During the first 2 days all the spectrum is alloted! @spinesurgeon @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans when all the spectrum is alloted during first 2 days, then the last date has no value at all! @spinesurgeon @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @spinesurgeon @NattAnu ஓகே சார்.

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @spinesurgeon @NattAnu ஸோ, இப்ப அருண் ஷோரியும் தப்புன்னு கன்க்ளூட் பண்ணிட்டீங்க.

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans Exactly! He know, there is no value for 3rd day itself, as there is no spectrum left out with govt! @spinesurgeon @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@NattAnu அவர் ஒத்துக்கமாட்டார் :)) @saysatheesh

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu எனக்குதான் தெரில, சுப்ரமணிய சாமி, நீலோத்பல் பாசு, அருண் ஜேட்லி எல்லாரும் தப்புன்றீங்களா?

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans லாஸ்ட் டேட்டை மாத்தினதே தப்புன்னு சொல்றதை பார்த்தா அவங்களுக்கும் விஷயம் தெரியலைன்னு தான் தோணுது! @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu விடுங்க சார், சு.கோ, ட்ராய், சு.சாமி, பாசு, பிஜேபி யாருக்கும் விஷயம் தெரில.

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans did any one of them tell the value. they said irregularity . am i right @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon Yes, Irregularity. @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans question is whether 1.76 crore was right or wrong. it is now proved wrong. isn't it @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@spinesurgeon Exactly! There may be some irregularities. But there is absolutely no loss to the govt! @Ethirajans @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @spinesurgeon @NattAnu இப்ப கபில் சிபல் கரீட்டுன்றீங்க. ரைட்டு!

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans Yes! What the revenue generated from allotment is more than govt's target! So its ZERO Loss! @spinesurgeon @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans But CAG says, it can fetch more revenue if it was auctioned! So they cancelled and gone for auction @spinesurgeon @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans whether it is arun shorie or raja, they have their power to reduce the price as a policy decision @spinesurgeon @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@saysatheesh now some idiot comes and say govt should auction train tickets . Will you agree @Ethirajans @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans i block 10 tickets in pandian express and sell it 200 rupees higher. there is irregularity . isn't it @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@spinesurgeon here licenses are not sold for higher price. Infact, Licenses are not at al sold! @Ethirajans @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@saysatheesh i know . try to explain to @Ethirajans with some example @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@spinesurgeon Twitter is not sufficient to explain. Will try to blog :) @Ethirajans @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@spinesurgeon I hv tried this in my old blog satheeshchennai.blogspot.in/2011/02/2g.html @Ethirajans @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@spinesurgeon If BHEL get order for 10 Cr, and BHEL sells its own share for 20 Cr, it doesn't mean order is sold! @Ethirajans @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans but is there loss to govt. use your own brain and reply @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon @saysatheesh @NattAnu I now recall your y'day's tweet sir, A simple pat will wake someone up if he is really sleeping.

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans yes . now please reply whether CAG Should be under trial or not @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon @saysatheesh @NattAnu Trial for What??

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans for wrong report. for gross negligence. for failing in duty. for irregularity @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@spinesurgeon First of all, price reduction is a policy decision of a govt. Its there for Petrol, Agri, Edu, Health @Ethirajans @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@spinesurgeon CAG always look into revenue and monetory. Never care on Policy or public welfare! @Ethirajans @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans if allotment was one irregularity, CAG report is also another irregularity @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans raja has resigned for his irregularity and is under trial. what about CAG g@saysatheesh @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon Raja was forced to resign :) @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans yes. because of his caste and also because of his language @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon @NattAnu Well :)) Super, The penny is dropped. This is MK's line of argument

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@spinesurgeon I strongly disagree with you on this point sir! It is purely political but never has Castism/Linguistic @Ethirajans @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@saysatheesh ok. question is should CAG be accountable for his reports, or can he write anything he likes @Ethirajans @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @spinesurgeon @NattAnu I recommend you all to go through Arun Shourie's youtube interviews. Thank you. <END>

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans exactly. now that raja is under trial for irregularity, why not subject CAG to trial :-) @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@spinesurgeon CAG hasn't committed any crime, has he? @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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spinesurgeon Bruno Mascarenhas
@Ethirajans gross mistake in the report is a big crime. not giving any scientific backing for report is crime 2 @saysatheesh @NattAnu

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saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@NattAnu இப்ப திருத்திய இழப்பீடு 30K Crன்னு சொல்றாங்க! கணக்கீடு சரியில்லைன்றதை உணர்ந்தபின் தான் ராஜாவுக்கு ஜாமீனே கிடைச்சது! @Ethirajans

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu ஜாமீன் கெடச்சதுக்கு காரணம் அது இல்லை. குற்றப்பத்திரிகை தாக்கல் பண்ணியாச்சு, இனி விசாரணை முடியற வரை ஜெயில்ல

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu வைக்கறதுக்கு அவசியம் இல்லங்கறதாலதான் ஜாமீன், இதுதான் நடைமுறை.

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans :)) குற்றப்பத்திரிக்கை தாக்கலான பின்னும் பல மாசம் ஜாமின் தரலை! திருத்திய மதிப்பீடு வந்தப்புறம் தான் கிடைச்சது! @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu மூணு தாக்கல் பண்ணினாங்க மொத்தம், மூணாவது தாக்கலானதும் கிடைச்சுது.

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans Companies sold the license and hence loss, is a politically drafted drama! You know well abt Company law :) @NattAnu

November 16 #

Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu சரி சார்.

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans முதல் ஒதுக்கீட்டுக்கு என்ன முறை பின்பற்றப்பட்டதோ அதே முறையில் தான் எல்லா ஒதுக்கீடும் நடந்தது! #Level Playing Field @NattAnu

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu அதெல்லாம் யாருமே இல்லைன்னு மறுக்கலை. ஏலத் தேதியை முன்கூட்டியே தெரியாமல் மாற்றியது, சம்பந்தமே இல்லாத கம்பெனிகளுக்கு

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Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu லைசென்ஸை குறைந்த விலைக்கு குடுத்தது, இதெல்லாம்தான் குற்றச்சாட்டே! அருண் ஷோரி சொல்றதைக் கொஞ்சம் பாருங்க.

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans ஒரே டெக்னாலஜிக்கு, வெவ்வேறு முறையிலான ஒதுக்கீடு கூடாது, அது சம வாய்ப்பை தராதுன்னு இதே சு.கோர்ட்டு சொன்னதால் தான்! @NattAnu

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans ராஜா ஏல முறை தான் வேணும்னு சொன்னதுக்கு, ம.அரசு உ.நீதிமன்ற தீர்ப்பை காட்டி தான் ஒதுக்கீடு செய்ய சொன்னாங்க! @NattAnu

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans இது தொடர்பான எல்லா கடித போக்குவரத்தையும் ராஜா சொன்னப்புறமும், நீங்க பழைய கதையிலேயே நின்னா எப்படி? :) @NattAnu

November 16 #

Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu நான் பழைய கதைல நிக்கல சார். ராஜா தப்பே பண்ணலேன்னு நீங்க நிக்கறீங்க :))

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans என் பதிவிலேயே ராஜா தவறு செய்திருக்க வாய்ப்பு இருக்குன்னு தான் சொல்லி இருக்கேன்! ஆனா அது லைசன்ஸ் இழப்பு அல்ல! @NattAnu

November 16 #

Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu ட்ராய், சுப்ரீம் கோர்ட்டு எல்லாருமே தப்புன்னு சொல்றீங்க :))

November 16 #

Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6ZKx…

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@NattAnu Hope these posts may give you a clear picture satheeshchennai.blogspot.com/2012/06/2.html & satheeshchennai.blogspot.in/2011/02/2g.html @Ethirajans

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@NattAnu 22 licenses given at the Phase III is now gone for auction! Phase I alloted by BJP at lowest price and it continues @Ethirajans

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@NattAnu the price and method of allotment was fixed by BJP. Now the final phase (Clearance sale) alone is questioned @Ethirajans

November 16 #

Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu Well, That was when the cellphone was introduced for the first time and there were not takers for the licence.

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans Exactly! and now (at the time of Phase III) there were no takers as it is outdated. 3G & 4G already introduced. @NattAnu

November 16 #

Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh So whose mistake is this? CAG's? @NattAnu

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans Definitely!!! CAG calculated numbers in pro-rata basis! But they didn't considered its technical value @NattAnu

November 16 #

Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G_spectr… Says all the 122 licenses were issued by A Raja when he was telecom minister.

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans Thats not a fact! Then what did Arun Shorie gave? :) @NattAnu

November 16 #

Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu Not a fact? :O

November 16 #

saysatheesh Satheesh Kumar
@Ethirajans Since 2G is outdated, and Govt having bal spectrum, govt decided to allot at same procedure followed in Phase I & II @NattAnu

November 16 #

Ethirajans Ethirajan
@saysatheesh @NattAnu Arun Shourie has cleared it N number of times through many interviews and articles.

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